Talk:Military star ranking
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[edit]@Skjoldbro: why remove the French ranks from "Seven-star ranks", when their insignias literally have seven stars...? And with North Korea, why remove a sentence for being "unsourced" when it's linked to another article? This is usually accepted in lieu of, espeially with list articles. These are basically some of ranks in the world fall under "7 stars", they should be included, no? - wolf 15:46, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
- Star ranking the military terminology not necessarily amount of stars on the insignia, otherwise non of the commonwealth would qualify. And per NATO STANAG, OF-10 is a five-star, just like there are no source on any page that states anything related to France and star-ranking. Plus if the French Marshal was indeed seven-star, then their OF-9 would be equal to the OF-10 US General of the Army. Additionally, the only ref I could find on a seven-star rank was added by OberRanks, who is known for adding fabricated sources. Skjoldbro (talk) 16:26, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
- On the french image, when you say "OF-10" are you going by the file name? - wolf 17:16, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
- I'm going by STANAG 2116 page A-2. Skjoldbro (talk) 17:22, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
- Ah I see. But just the same, what difference does that make? Even the US only goes to OF-10, and that's for their highest ranks (the established 5-star, the argued-for 6-star and the imagined 7-star for GW). In fact, it appears that no country goes higher than OF-10, even those with ranks that are higher than the equivalent of a 4 star flag/general officer in most countries, (such as five star, we know those ranks exist). But there are ranks higher than that, or at least the equivalent of such, some from the past, some honorary, but they exist. We have articles about them, such as the Admiral of France & Marshal of France, and Taewonsu in N.Korea (and the article for Wonsu which outlines the hierarchy of the three ranks in N.Korea that are superior to 4-star general). There others as well, from China, the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany. Are you seeking to preclude all of these? If so, how come? - wolf 21:46, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
- As long as there are reliable sources stating the fact that the countries uses/used the ranking system, I see no problem adding anything. However, I have yet to see anything that actually proves there are anything more than a five-star.
I believe (OR), the system might have been made to used as comparison between allied nations during WW2, as such, it would be weird to create a system which goes beyond what was comparable. All the old pages had 15-20 entries, all without sources. Skjoldbro (talk) 23:55, 14 January 2023 (UTC)- Meh, I still think some of these unique, uber-ranks should somehow be noted. I agree that unsourced content doesn't belong, but we have numerous articles about these ranks, many of which you have edited. In most, if not all, of our articles on ranks, we make a point of noting other ranks that are higher, lower and those that are considered equivalent, either within the same system, or externally. We should be doing the same here. (imho) - wolf 18:55, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
- I have linked Highest military ranks in the see also section. This page makes all the same mentions as you stated. With that page, I don't think there would be any need to add these ranks here also, sourced or otherwise. Skjoldbro (talk) 21:06, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
- Meh, I still think some of these unique, uber-ranks should somehow be noted. I agree that unsourced content doesn't belong, but we have numerous articles about these ranks, many of which you have edited. In most, if not all, of our articles on ranks, we make a point of noting other ranks that are higher, lower and those that are considered equivalent, either within the same system, or externally. We should be doing the same here. (imho) - wolf 18:55, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
- As long as there are reliable sources stating the fact that the countries uses/used the ranking system, I see no problem adding anything. However, I have yet to see anything that actually proves there are anything more than a five-star.
- Ah I see. But just the same, what difference does that make? Even the US only goes to OF-10, and that's for their highest ranks (the established 5-star, the argued-for 6-star and the imagined 7-star for GW). In fact, it appears that no country goes higher than OF-10, even those with ranks that are higher than the equivalent of a 4 star flag/general officer in most countries, (such as five star, we know those ranks exist). But there are ranks higher than that, or at least the equivalent of such, some from the past, some honorary, but they exist. We have articles about them, such as the Admiral of France & Marshal of France, and Taewonsu in N.Korea (and the article for Wonsu which outlines the hierarchy of the three ranks in N.Korea that are superior to 4-star general). There others as well, from China, the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany. Are you seeking to preclude all of these? If so, how come? - wolf 21:46, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
- I'm going by STANAG 2116 page A-2. Skjoldbro (talk) 17:22, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
- On the french image, when you say "OF-10" are you going by the file name? - wolf 17:16, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Ukraine
[edit]Bro, Ukraine official government military websites do not have information about it in pdf. Or the table or addons to download. I attached the law of parliament where is indicated military ranks. Photos of ranks are add-on in this law 62.4.43.105 (talk) 19:22, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- I can finde nothing on either source which states that Ukraine uses the star ranking terminology. The simple fact that insignia uses 1-4 stars do not mean the terminology is used. If you can point to a specific section which states the use, then fine. Skjoldbro (talk) 09:22, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- I attached the link to the law. Also I attached the link to the add-on. I dont understand what do you need 62.4.43.105 (talk) 16:26, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- I need the specific quote which states that Ukraine uses star ranking as a military terminology. Skjoldbro (talk) 18:41, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- I attached the link to the law. Also I attached the link to the add-on. I dont understand what do you need 62.4.43.105 (talk) 16:26, 27 May 2023 (UTC)